Great record.
I once owned the prerelease of this one called "Blown Away" & it in some ways is a tighter document. My logic is that "Time is Tight" so keep it focused. The main flaw with the Acid Jazz/Trip Hop scene is that they're a bit longwinded. Listening to a few LP's with 12 songs that come in at under 30 minutes is a fact of good composition. Listen to Marcos Valle's Essential on Mr. Bongo or that Elza Soares - Elza Pede Passagem on my page. Her record is 27 minutes of TIGHTNESS. Nuff Said.
No, no copy of The Daou but I think I have that Black Forest(?) track but think it's only Vanessa..
From what I was able to tell, the post-El stuff was owned by a Japanese label and Delancey Street put out a comp of their tracks called Blown Away a year before this one on Stepping Stone. BA was shorter as you mentioned.I know what you mean about the composition length thing with this genre and a lot of stuff does tend to get stretched overlong. I think a lot of it could stand to be tightened up - but not always.It's like when North American pop scene broke out of those compositional constraints in the late 60s, for better or worse. For the most part, what wasn't aimed squarely at the dance floor was more studio experimentation or psychedelia for the stoners. As studios became more accessible, the level of output rose and the ratio of quality dropped.I don't know if it was more competition for recording time and space (trip hop coincided with the proliferation of home studios and was the vanguard of today's bedroom studios), a higher cost for material like tape (trip hop is purely digital so time does not = money) or the fact that extended jams of these 3 minute compositions were done live (Trip hop was almost purely a studio form) but the recorded output of Brazilian popular music in the late 60s and early 70s was definitely tight and focused and if you ask me, some of the best pop music ever produced anywhere anytime. No argument there. But keep in mind trip hop was also highly influenced by dub, the main point of which was to take a 3 minute song, deconstruct it, distill it, stretch it out and along the way play around with sound and space while riffing on the theme.The point I think we're both making J, is that in the early days of trip hop, it was hard to find producers who did all of this with a good degree of competency, who didn't lean heavily on the novelty of the medium or fall starkly into the listening vs. dncing camps and were able to straddle both.I'll go back to the ever-lovin' Ashley Beedle and his crew as an example of this. To a lesser extent, Bemand is also one of those people for me.Sorry for the long reply but it was a very thought-provoking observation!
Cheeba, Since I like a "Classic" in any genre, even Ambient & there are a few gems of this movement.Let's take a record like "Destroy Rock And Roll" by Mylo. It's 54 minutes long, but manages to keep the listener engaged for the whole disc. So it can be done. Another example would be "Advanced Skin Care" by Audio Lotion topping out at an hour & 15 minutes, but strangely the disc spins well. So again it depends on the artist & the overall flow.Of the newer Ambient kids I'm diggin', "Cirque" by Biosphere. A nicely served plate of Ambient Dub. & that "Bold" by Readymade is no joke fresh.
Exactly, and great examples! Readymade is one of my favourites in the electronica genre and that Mylo record is pretty dope.I'll have to check the Audio Lotion since you mention it... new one on me.But I'm totally with you. A whole album of trip hop / acid jazz / ambient (excluding compilation) that can captivate from front-to-end are hard to find and the ones that do so are often usually from the same small circle of producers.
Cheeba, The "Audio Lotion" is so worth having & to spice things up even more, it's a stunning example of down-tempo Drum & Bass. A masterpiece! You'll love it.
Hey Cheeba,Thanks for the excellent post riffing off my Corduroy comments - really all I could ever hope for with a music blog is to generate this kind of dialogue!I was only really familiar with Marden Hill from a few tracks on trip hop comps like "Koolness Purr-sonified" so this fills in some historical blanks for me! Definitely looking forward to checking the stuff out.I'm also intrigued by your comparisons of Corduroy to Paul Weller and Style Council - it's not material I know so any recommendations are appreciated. Maybe you can do a post highlighting that stuff.Keep on keepin on!-AK
for those wanting to follow along:Biosphere Cirque:hereMilo Destroy Rock n' RollhereAdvanced Skin Care Audio Lotion hereI couldn't find a live link for Readymade Bold - anyone got one?
AK, know how you feel. I never would have found that post if you hadn't struck up a dialogue here! I might take you up on that Paul Weller/Style Council post.Off the top, for early stuff, go with The Jam collection called Snap! and you'll hear the finest mod punk bank since The Who's heyday grow into their soul/r&b roots.The first two Style Councils are the most jazz and soul-flavoured. I might do a SC post since the CD reissues were all super compressed and the dynamic range was stripped entirely away. Has to be heard on original vinyl or cassette to be truly appreciated.But you must check Kosmos off Paul Weller's first solo from 92 (it was on a bunch of comps incl. one of the Rebirth of The Cools) and his LP Wild Wood which was just as influential for the UK electronica scene as it was for Oasis, Pulp, The Verve, et al.
Well, thank you kindly for your generosity Anonymous
Thanks Cheeba!Cheers,
Just seen this and realise it's from years ago but I'm Kevin Saunders, on e of the people who worked on this and there are a couple of things that ought to be corrected.One is that although I co-wrote and sang one Beamish & Fly song, it was Mark Daniels, not me, who created Beamish & Fly with Chris Bemand.The other thing is that, with no disrespect to Chris, Mark Daniels was the creator and force behind all the incarnations of Marden Hill. That said, it got a lot funkier after Chris was involved.
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Great record.
I once owned the prerelease of this one called "Blown Away" & it in some ways is a tighter document.
My logic is that "Time is Tight" so keep it focused. The main flaw with the Acid Jazz/Trip Hop scene is that they're a bit longwinded. Listening to a few LP's with 12 songs that come in at under 30 minutes is a fact of good composition. Listen to Marcos Valle's Essential on Mr. Bongo or that Elza Soares - Elza Pede Passagem on my page. Her record is 27 minutes of TIGHTNESS. Nuff Said.
No, no copy of The Daou but I think I have that Black Forest(?) track but think it's only Vanessa..
From what I was able to tell, the post-El stuff was owned by a Japanese label and Delancey Street put out a comp of their tracks called Blown Away a year before this one on Stepping Stone. BA was shorter as you mentioned.
I know what you mean about the composition length thing with this genre and a lot of stuff does tend to get stretched overlong. I think a lot of it could stand to be tightened up - but not always.
It's like when North American pop scene broke out of those compositional constraints in the late 60s, for better or worse. For the most part, what wasn't aimed squarely at the dance floor was more studio experimentation or psychedelia for the stoners. As studios became more accessible, the level of output rose and the ratio of quality dropped.
I don't know if it was more competition for recording time and space (trip hop coincided with the proliferation of home studios and was the vanguard of today's bedroom studios), a higher cost for material like tape (trip hop is purely digital so time does not = money) or the fact that extended jams of these 3 minute compositions were done live (Trip hop was almost purely a studio form) but the recorded output of Brazilian popular music in the late 60s and early 70s was definitely tight and focused and if you ask me, some of the best pop music ever produced anywhere anytime. No argument there.
But keep in mind trip hop was also highly influenced by dub, the main point of which was to take a 3 minute song, deconstruct it, distill it, stretch it out and along the way play around with sound and space while riffing on the theme.
The point I think we're both making J, is that in the early days of trip hop, it was hard to find producers who did all of this with a good degree of competency, who didn't lean heavily on the novelty of the medium or fall starkly into the listening vs. dncing camps and were able to straddle both.
I'll go back to the ever-lovin' Ashley Beedle and his crew as an example of this. To a lesser extent, Bemand is also one of those people for me.
Sorry for the long reply but it was a very thought-provoking observation!
Cheeba, Since I like a "Classic" in any genre, even Ambient & there are a few gems of this movement.
Let's take a record like "Destroy Rock And Roll" by Mylo. It's 54 minutes long, but manages to keep the listener engaged for the whole disc. So it can be done. Another example would be "Advanced Skin Care" by Audio Lotion topping out at an hour & 15 minutes, but strangely the disc spins well. So again it depends on the artist & the overall flow.
Of the newer Ambient kids I'm diggin', "Cirque" by Biosphere. A nicely served plate of Ambient Dub. & that "Bold" by Readymade is no joke fresh.
Exactly, and great examples! Readymade is one of my favourites in the electronica genre and that Mylo record is pretty dope.
I'll have to check the Audio Lotion since you mention it... new one on me.
But I'm totally with you. A whole album of trip hop / acid jazz / ambient (excluding compilation) that can captivate from front-to-end are hard to find and the ones that do so are often usually from the same small circle of producers.
Cheeba, The "Audio Lotion" is so worth having & to spice things up even more, it's a stunning example of down-tempo Drum & Bass. A masterpiece! You'll love it.
Hey Cheeba,
Thanks for the excellent post riffing off my Corduroy comments - really all I could ever hope for with a music blog is to generate this kind of dialogue!
I was only really familiar with Marden Hill from a few tracks on trip hop comps like "Koolness Purr-sonified" so this fills in some historical blanks for me! Definitely looking forward to checking the stuff out.
I'm also intrigued by your comparisons of Corduroy to Paul Weller and Style Council - it's not material I know so any recommendations are appreciated. Maybe you can do a post highlighting that stuff.
Keep on keepin on!
-AK
for those wanting to follow along:
Biosphere Cirque:
here
Milo Destroy Rock n' Roll
here
Advanced Skin Care Audio Lotion
here
I couldn't find a live link for Readymade Bold - anyone got one?
AK, know how you feel. I never would have found that post if you hadn't struck up a dialogue here!
I might take you up on that Paul Weller/Style Council post.
Off the top, for early stuff, go with The Jam collection called Snap! and you'll hear the finest mod punk bank since The Who's heyday grow into their soul/r&b roots.
The first two Style Councils are the most jazz and soul-flavoured. I might do a SC post since the CD reissues were all super compressed and the dynamic range was stripped entirely away. Has to be heard on original vinyl or cassette to be truly appreciated.
But you must check Kosmos off Paul Weller's first solo from 92 (it was on a bunch of comps incl. one of the Rebirth of The Cools) and his LP Wild Wood which was just as influential for the UK electronica scene as it was for Oasis, Pulp, The Verve, et al.
Well, thank you kindly for your generosity Anonymous
Thanks Cheeba!
Cheers,
Just seen this and realise it's from years ago but I'm Kevin Saunders, on e of the people who worked on this and there are a couple of things that ought to be corrected.
One is that although I co-wrote and sang one Beamish & Fly song, it was Mark Daniels, not me, who created Beamish & Fly with Chris Bemand.
The other thing is that, with no disrespect to Chris, Mark Daniels was the creator and force behind all the incarnations of Marden Hill. That said, it got a lot funkier after Chris was involved.
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